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28/08/2021
Topic:
New SyMenu version 6.15

jibibi
jibibi
Posts: 16
merci gianluca !!!!
21/08/2021
Topic:
launch script silently

biorpg
biorpg
Posts: 1
kj, You can use add the registry entries below to make it so Windows will run .jar files in their current directory by default.:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.JAR]
@="jarfile"

When using a .jar file directly(by double-clicking, or typing the name into the command prompt),
this is where Windows checks first for instructions on what to do with the file. The above just
redirects it to another key of the same format, named 'jarfile' instead of ',jar'. I have only
done that here because that is how the Java installer packages do it, and so anything else done
within this key would simply be ignored if the installer had been run.


Edit the following to match your Java path. All symbols are important, but you may only need to change the "jre1.8.0_131":
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\jarfile\shell\open\command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre1.8.0_131\\bin\\javaw.exe\" -jar \"%1\" %*"

In the absence of another redirect, Windows will read the subkeys to determine how to handle the
file. The 'open' subkey under "shell" defines the default command to use. Other keys under "shell"
define additional context menu entries. Everything about how a file type is represented and used
in Windows is specified here.


Again, change to match your path:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment]
"JAVA_HOME"="c:\\program files\\java\\jre1.8.0_131"
"JAVAPATH"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath;C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath;C:\\ProgramData\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath"



https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/shell/fa-verbs

edited by biorpg on 21/08/2021
17/08/2021
Topic:
New SyMenu version 6.15

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: New SyMenu version 6.15
Dear user the new version is finally out.
I hope the new feature reported here https://www.ugmfree.it/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=819 is a good news for everyone.
Stay tuned.
26/07/2021
Topic:
.CMD script shortcuts & properties

JPB46
JPB46
Posts: 2
Solution works great, Thanks for your prompt reply.
26/07/2021
Topic:
.CMD script shortcuts & properties

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: .CMD script shortcuts & properties
Hi JPB46,
Welcome to the community.
It's the first time I see such as sort of customization.
The Windows cmd.exe doesn't support this kind of customization, as well as the single .cmd files, but the shortcuts to cmd files do.

It's a really strange behaviour in a Windows environment where the shorcuts to any other kind of files doesn't allow any customization unless the shortcut icon and other compatibility parameters... I never stop learning smile
The problem here is that SyMenu resolves every shortcut you give to it because it needs to verify it the target exists, this way all the shortcut customization is cut out

I can suggest a workaround and I hope it can work for you.
Since the shortcut resolution takes place when you add a new item, you can go to the configuration form and replace the resolved path with the shortcut path.

To be clear:
- you add the shortcut C:\TestPing.lnk and SyMenu resolves it C:\TestPing.cmd
- go to the configuration form and replace the path back from C:\TestPing.cmd to C:\TestPing.lnk

Problem solved.

edited by Gianluca on 26/07/2021
26/07/2021
Topic:
.CMD script shortcuts & properties

JPB46
JPB46
Posts: 2
I have created several shortcuts to .CMD scripts that I have written. I have modified the properties of these shortcuts with different foreground and background colors, font sizes, and/or window sizes etc. I can not get SyMenu to launch these shortcuts honoring the properties that I have set. They all launch using the properties of CMD.exe itself, I believe. (Please see attached screenshot).
I like the utility overall and have started using it in light of the taskbar changes in Windows 11 (NO toolbar options).

edited by JPB46 on 26/07/2021
15/07/2021
Topic:
A new approach to the installation of apps

lupusbalo
lupusbalo
Posts: 70
"Not vital" but interesting idea
TKS GianLuca
06/07/2021
Topic:
A new approach to the installation of apps

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: A new approach to the installation of apps
Hi guys,
I'm developing a new feature for SyMenu and I'd like to share a first implementation picture to have some feedback from you.



As you can see the new area in the middle allows to track all the programs I need to process. This way I can use the search without losing the previous selections.

In this case I wanted to Install 12-Ants, Mozilla FF, and Autoruns and, to find the latter, I used the search instead of scrolling with the mouse. You can see that my last search returned only two programs but the previously selected ones are still there.

The availability of a new area where the planned programs to add/update/remove are stored, allows me to move the "Apply all" button inside it. BTW this area appears only when you select at least a program with a checkbox otherwise it completely disappears taking away the "Apply all" button too... well it is useless with no checkbox flagged.

It seems to me a good solution even if the form is starting to crowd a lot more...

What do you think about it?

edited by Gianluca on 19/07/2021
04/07/2021
Topic:
Thank you!

lupusbalo
lupusbalo
Posts: 70
lupusbalo
lupusbalo
Posts: 70
Topic: Thank you!
Drakkn wrote:
Hi Gianluca!


I haven't been around much on the forums lately but wanted to stop in and thank you for continuing your work on Symenu. I use it all the time and it is very helpful and useful.


If anyone wants to know how robust it is with a load on it, I have 3,869 programs on my menu along with many weblinks, commands, and docs. This menu is the best out there!

Thanks for creating this and keeping it up all these years!

-Drakkn



Huge figures
bowrofl
04/07/2021
Topic:
Shouldn't SyMenu Suite be listed in Wikipedia?

lupusbalo
lupusbalo
Posts: 70
+1
30/06/2021
Topic:
Shouldn't SyMenu Suite be listed in Wikipedia?

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
gggirlgeek wrote:
Wow that discussion on Wikipedia was strange. Basically, you were too excited about your software? So, without actual evidence of anything against the rules they can just say, "No, the public should not have this information because you like it too much"? It's amazing that there is any information at all in Wikipedia.


This is the dark side of Wikipedia. It's a collaborative encyclopedia but you can't collaborate if the moderators decide you are out.

gggirlgeek wrote:
Anyway, I corrected the information you mentioned. One thing though. Are you sure I should put "Freeware" in the License column? I don't think they were asking the pricing model. I think they want the type of copyrights license it has (if that makes sense. I don't know much about this subject.) Maybe it should say "Proprietary"

You are right. Proprietary is better than Freeware.

And probably it's better to change the creator column with ugmfree.it to give all the users a clue on where to find it (the footnote on the version column is less evident).

Thank you for your help and let's see if this time the information remains.
28/06/2021
Topic:
Shouldn't SyMenu Suite be listed in Wikipedia?

gggirlgeek
gggirlgeek
Posts: 6
Wow that discussion on Wikipedia was strange. Basically, you were too excited about your software? So, without actual evidence of anything against the rules they can just say, "No, the public should not have this information because you like it too much"? It's amazing that there is any information at all in Wikipedia.

Anyway, I corrected the information you mentioned. One thing though. Are you sure I should put "Freeware" in the License column? I don't think they were asking the pricing model. I think they want the type of copyrights license it has (if that makes sense. I don't know much about this subject.) Maybe it should say "Proprietary"?

edited by gggirlgeek on 28/06/2021
28/06/2021
Topic:
Shouldn't SyMenu Suite be listed in Wikipedia?

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Thank you gggirlgeek but, with your post, you remind me a very sad story about SyMenu.

Long ago I created a page on Wikipedia for SyMenu.

The page was updated every time I updated the program and was a useful page to explain SyMenu to the new users.
For the same reason I added SyMenu to other wiki pages because it fit perfectly on several other categories.

After a while the SyMenu page was tagged as an advertise page.
Plus they told me the page was poorly built and that the external links I supplied were not legitimate (?????).
I tried to explain that SyMenu is a freeware tool and that they are allowing the publication to several other similar programs (Liberkey, PortableApps, and so on) but, you know how it works, the wikiers are not democratic beasts... when they think a thing, that is the true.
So the SyMenu page was deleted, the reference in the other wikipedia pages were deleted as well... SyMenu was totally eclipsed from wikipedia.

Well I don't believe in conspiracy theories but guys, five years later I still don't have a clear explanation.

If you want this is an interesting reading on how things works on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/SyMenu



Regarding your edit some data are not perfect.
"SyMenu Suite" should be "SyMenu". The suite is one of its feature.
"Software license" is "Freeware" (the license is not taken from the most used freeware ones but it's certainly freeware).
"Open Source" is "No" (at least for now).
"Programming language" is "C#".

Thank you!
28/06/2021
Topic:
Shouldn't SyMenu Suite be listed in Wikipedia?

gggirlgeek
gggirlgeek
Posts: 6
RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_desktop_application_launchers

I don't see SyMenu Suite listed there. However, it is listed under Start Menu Replacements but I believe that's incorrect, or maybe just incomplete. Any Portable Platform/Launcher could be used as a Start Menu replacement but that is just the bare minimum of what SyMenu Suite does. For example, unlike StartIsBack and it's kin, portable platform/launchers catalog, update, and provide external links to software sources. (I feel that "Application Launcher" doesn't cover it either, but this is where SyMenu's kin are listed so I'm not up for nit picking.)



I am willing to edit the application launcher Wikipedia page but I don't have some of the information it asks for, so I need some help, or just a developer to go behind me and fill it in (e.g. the programming language.) Is someone willing to do that? Also notice that all the other apps on the list have their own Wikipedia page. SyMenu does not so I just linked the download page in the footnotes. I also put an external reference to Raymond.cc's article which recommends Symenu and a couple more. He's pretty reliable when it comes to Windows IMHO.


Update:
It' done. Have a look. Only the license type and the programming language are missing. I also am not sure I understand whether there's a difference in SyMenu, SyMenu Suite, and SyMenu SPS Suite. Is there one? Make sure I named it correctly, please. I'll leave it to you and your helper elves @Gianluca.




Thanks and I stil love SyMenu.

edited by gggirlgeek on 28/06/2021
25/06/2021
Topic:
Thank you!

Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: Thank you!
Thank you for your support.
Really appreciated.
And BTW you beat me hands-down with your monster configuration!!! smile
25/06/2021
Topic:
Thank you!

Drakkn
Drakkn
Posts: 21
Drakkn
Drakkn
Posts: 21
Topic: Thank you!
Hi Gianluca!


I haven't been around much on the forums lately but wanted to stop in and thank you for continuing your work on Symenu. I use it all the time and it is very helpful and useful.


If anyone wants to know how robust it is with a load on it, I have 3,869 programs on my menu along with many weblinks, commands, and docs. This menu is the best out there!

Thanks for creating this and keeping it up all these years!

-Drakkn
14/06/2021
Topic:
launch script silently

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: launch script silently
Hi kj,
Next time please open a new thread for every argument otherwise is difficult to find the various topics for all the users.


Parameters and working dir
These are Windows concept not SyMenu ones. SyMenu allows you to add them but it's Windows that manages them.
Parameters: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/understanding-command-line-arguments-and-how-to-use-them/
The working directory is the directory where your program is working. If for example your program needs a file inside the relative folder .\resource this folder is resolved according with your working dir.



Should I specify the working dir?

Nope. Usually in SyMenu you don't have to specify the program's working dir because it's quite always .\, i.e. the program root folder.
One of the several exception is if you want to execute a .jar executable without Java installed.
In this case your executable is [...]\jre\bin\javaw.exe but your working dir is not [...]\jre\bin\ but the program one.

Naturally executing javaw.exe alone doesn't start your program, so you have to pass it through the parameter.

This is an example for yEd Graph Editor:
working dir: .\

Arguments: -jar [SyMenu]\ProgramFiles\SPSSuite\SyMenuSuite\yEd_Graph_Editor_sps\yed.jar

or you can execute it this way:
working dir: [SyMenu]\ProgramFiles\SPSSuite\SyMenuSuite\yEd_Graph_Editor_sps\
Arguments: -jar yed.jar



Does working dir works for other apps which are portable in nature due to no other dependencies not present in the OS?
The portability of a program and the working dir are two different concepts.



Well you are a bit confused on the various topics.
My advise is to try to progress step by step and not pretending to create a complex system by scratch.
I think your first target is accomplished (the custom menu creation).
Why not trying to play with the working dir of one single program now?

You have the double example of yEd that's really interesting and didactic.
13/06/2021
Topic:
Suggestion: B/G theme colour with few hues

Gianluca
Gianluca
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Posts: 1042
Gianluca
Gianluca
Administrator
Posts: 1042
Topic: Suggestion: B/G theme colour with few hues
Hi kj.

SyMenu duplication
I perfectly agree with your solution. It seems good and fast enough.


One only submenu
Well I don't agree with you but SyMenu is a free animal, so be my guest your two levels solution is perfect if you like it. As my 3 and 4 levels solution is perfect for me


Different colors shades
Please remember that your solution with two only levels is just yours. If someone else needs three levels should I offer three shades?
Currently you can create a two colors shade in every single menu level playing with the theme. The basic themes instead are all solid colors. Try to create a black shade, probably your need to discern the two levels is satisfied the same.


Tooltip
The tooltips are already standardized. You can choose what to include in the tooltip (it's in the options). Naturally if a program lacks an element, that element doesn't appear in the tooltip.Can you explain better what you intend here?

Description
If a publisher changes a program description the only way to get that particular description in an already configured program is removing and adding the program itself. You can see the updated description only in the Manage SPS Apps form.

Why this behavior? It's because a user like me, like you, needs to customize the description of his own configured programs and needs to have the description untouched even after a program update.


Tooltip character limit

I don't like this solution. The tooltip is not an invasive object and you can disable it at all. Plus it disappears by itself and if you don't want to see it you can move the mouse pointer faster. So why you hate the poor tooltip so much?smile

Separate launcher in linked folder
When I implemented it I checked if the separate launcher was feasible but unfortunately it wasn't.
Anyway... if you check the Show as a link checkbox you will have your separate folder... in Explorer or in any other launcher with the proper plugin.
13/06/2021
Topic:
launch script silently

kj
kj
Posts: 6
kj
kj
Posts: 6
Topic: launch script silently
Thanks! Took me half-day to look for solution. Didn't realize there is same similar in this forum.

Gian, I'm still not quite understand on the parameters on working directory, etc.

To make things simple, should I actually be specifying working directory for all SPSapps? And does this parameter works for other apps which are portable in nature due to no other dependencies not present in the OS?

If this works, what is your recommended settings that I can just copy paste to all the params field boxes. haha.

Have completed my custom menu. Now is to fine-tune on the working folders lest it not too confusing for my family members.
13/06/2021
Topic:
Feature Request: Autoexec, Wait/Kill Task

kj
kj
Posts: 6
Hi Gian,

Furthering on your start/close autoexec for SyMenu, it would be great if:

  • Autoexec open/close feature for Program Items as well (for those of us not too inclined to meddle with BAT files)

  • Able to wait for autoexec task to complete (if for close) and execute a killtask > Shutdown (maintenance tasks)

  • Able to specify more than one task to autoexec with simple time delay function? I think monitoring idle time before EXEC - that's more to Windows Task Scheduler.



Cheers!

KJ

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