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sl23 Posts: 285
29/01/2016
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Two things that I've discussed with Gian require users to give their opinions on how to proceed.
1. First, simply, keep the outdated and unsustained paf plugin, or bin it? As these apps are now quite out of date there seems little point using them. It is also rather bug infested, so, I voted to remove it to lighten the load as it were.
2. I've not yet received a reply on this, but I'll put it out there for feedback. I think a better way to view apps in the manager would be to remove the tabs and have a single list with better filtering. There could be some preset filters for the current suites, but also for things like stealth apps as well as a search box.
Would this be a welcome change or not so much?
Thanks for your feedback
Scott
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magz Posts: 3
30/01/2016
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I'm personally using both the portableapp launcher and symenu, for the apps offered in both locations I go for the one offering the most up to date version, so today f.ex I switched to fetching PicPick by Symenu, as we have v4.1.1 here while the portableapps version is at v4.0.9 still, slackers.
With the paf's we'll always be behind portableapps wont we, as they are all fetched from their site?
I also feel the need to have the entire selection available, and it will be a daunting task to mirror all the portableapp paf's manually, so I think it's better to let portableapps do their thing with the paf's, it's cool that SyMenu supports paf's though, but to me it has not been useful, so to cast my vote I say If the paf plugin is unstable and troublesome then remove it.
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VVV_Easy_Symenu Posts: 159
30/01/2016
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I vote to keep PAF plugin and I go further: I think we have to avoid SPS apps makes with PortableApps.com if the original programs allows it (this is the PAF plugin work) even with little -Stealth- loose.
It's important use the original source for the acknowledgment of Freeware/OpenSource authors and for avoid the viruses.
I explain clearer with an example, "wxMP3gain Portable" official SPS is built on PortableApps.com but the author has a portable version on its website (see SPS file attached made by me)
PS: I'm trying to make (DONE) a SPS with DDownloads v3.0 because it helps to find reliable original sources and writte to the SPS publishers for explain this.
edited by VVV_Easy_Symenu on 30/01/2016
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
30/01/2016
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My two cents on the PAF plugin.
I'm not working on that code since a long time because I think the SPS is a better standard. So the natural place for the PAF plugin should be the software graveyard but, since it is used a lot, I'm suggesting a compromise. I will leave the PAF plugin living but I don't distribute it anymore through the SyMenu main package. In this way it remains available as a separate download until its natural death.
@VVV_Easy_Symenu
@ls23
I had a long and interesting talk with sl23 regarding the opportunity to privilege the original package over the PAF (or whatever) package.
sl23 asserts that choosing the original one is good but if the derivative package is more stealthy we should prefer it.
It's a really interesting topic: original vs. portability and stealth.
This is my idea. The original version is always the best choice because we tell the users when it is not perfectly stealth. The only reason to prefer an alternative package is when the original one doesn't work at all without an installation process or when it is to much invasive on the host PC. Too much invasive doesn't mean that it leaves some minor tracks here and there.
But sl23 is right from his point of view. If a stealth alternative exists why not to equally include for the more demanding users?
Shall we start to publish more than one version for the same program?
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sl23 Posts: 285
31/01/2016
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This would be where a separate suite would be added for stealth apps, this could eventually include all PA.c apps and maybe X-Software. Depending on licensing and permissions required. I have noticed many X-Software out of date though, whether ties is reason for this I do not know.
I agree that original versions are important but so should stealth be. Having the latest up to date version isn't always necessary, in which case using a PA.c or X-Software app is fine for stealth preference.
If stealth isn't catered for or PA.c apps aren't welcome then the PA.c Menu should be added to cater for the many users requiring this. I want to rid myself of this menu but can't due to the reliance on certain PA.c apps being stealth, whilst their originals aren't. VLC, Audacity, qBitTorrent, Inkscape, these are but a few.
Oh and I agree with what you said about the paf plugin Gian, perfect solution.
EDIT: Thinking about it, wouldn't it make sense to simply use other apps to add suites? Things like WSCC or NirLauncher would take care of all NirSoft and SysInternals apps without the need for you to update them.
edited by sl23 on 01/02/2016
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