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VVV_Easy_Symenu Posts: 159
23/01/2016
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Hello,
Problem: Fortunately today there are many apps in the SPS Suite and the new ones are highlighted with a sign of "NEW". But it's hard to find them with the eyes.
Proposed solutions:
1) A "New" filter button that hide the old apps.
2) Add a column in the apps list of the window "Get new apps SPS" with the "SPS date" and allow to ordenate by this column (for me this is a better solution)
Thanks for Symenu and ...
Cheer up with the work of SyMenu 5 ! 
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
23/01/2016
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Hello VVV_Easy_Symenu.
The feature you are requestion nearly already available and it's the colum Released on.
I know that today this column is not so accurate because the release date is the program release date and not the SPS one but with the passing of time the program and the SPS release date will converge.
Anyway, since for the new programs the dates are always different, we can evaluate for a furure version a new columns with the SPS date only.
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VVV_Easy_Symenu Posts: 159
23/01/2016
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Thank you for you consideration. I think that the two dates are good, the date "Released" tells us the age of the App
The information of "SPS date" is that in this maner we know that a creator of SPS App added a program that believes that is better (or not existant) than what we already had in the suite.
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VVV_Easy_Symenu Posts: 159
24/01/2016
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I've found the way to see what I needed: sort by date in the file browser the list of _Cache folder. And also I see if my published SPS's have been updated.
Not very elegant but it works.
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sl23 Posts: 285
25/01/2016
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I agree that new apps are difficult to spot, a filter would be a great step for easing this issue.
edited by sl23 on 25/01/2016
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
25/01/2016
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I have to review the entire SPS grid... it's too crawded, some filters are useless (what does it for ordering by version???), and it is painfully slow...
I need to study something smart.
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sl23 Posts: 285
26/01/2016
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How about somehow allowing users to view the trash folders for each app group and use check box to select for deletion?
Also, it would be good to be able to select certain apps that wouldn't be deleted if it was the last known good version.
For example:
1. Firefox gets installed at say version 40.
2. Then it gets updated to v41 and v40 is moved to _Trash.
3. Add option to save previous version of apps, this instance would be Firefox.
4. Empty _Trash via SPS Manager, all apps deleted except Firefox.
5. Firefox gets updated to v42 and v41 is moved to _Trash.
6. Now, as it's only previous version that's saved, on Empty _Trash, v41 remains while v40 and all other unsaved apps are deleted.
In effect this creates a safe backup should you empty trash inadvertently and you find the current version is faulty in some way. Each app could have this feature either as a Checkbox, or probably easier, add a box where a list of 'safe' apps would remain until a second update is received.
I hope that's clear?! I think you get the idea from my rather convoluted example ;-)
It Would also be handy to have a link to open the Configuration window. Or, even better why not combine windows and access them via tabs? It's awkward adding a new SyItem, closing the Get Apps window then going to the tray to open the config window. They should be one and the same or at least have access to each from the other.
edited by sl23 on 27/01/2016
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
27/01/2016
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So you are suggesting to create a conditional trashed item?
Too much work sorry.
Don't empty your trash if you want to maintain a backup or better you can use an old SyMenu plugin that does the backup for you. Unfortunately it is not selective, but seriously, is there someone over there that has disk space problem on 2016?
Your proposal to mix the configuration form with the SPS Manager is really interesting. I have to think about that. In the meanwhile I can suggest you to open the configuration form and go to Item manager menu - Get new Apps. You open the SPS Manager the same but you have the configuration form already opened.
Would it be the same if the two windows were not modal? You could open both and both can take the focus with the classical ALT+TAB.
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sl23 Posts: 285
28/01/2016
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Re trash, that's fine understand if too much work.
Re switching windows, I'm not a fan of keyboard shortcuts. Is there a reason windows become locked when opening new ones? Performance or stability issue I presume?
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
30/01/2016
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Not at all. It's a simple choice. When you open a new Window you can define if it must be modal or not i.e. if the parent has to be locked or not.
I choose to lock the configuration form when you open SPS manager to avoid inconsistent actions.
For example you can delete an SPS from the configuration and try to update it from the SPS.
Or you can add a new app from the SPS Manager while you are saving the tree in the configuration.
Who is the winning?
With the windows both enabled you constantly risk a race condition that is real bad. A race condition is a situation when you start a legitimate action on an entity but when you arrive to finish the process you are not allowed to do that anymore because in the meanwhile you lost the race with a cuncurrent action. The result is an error and in the worst case an inconsistant configuration.... you risk to loose your items. Not a great thing.
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sl23 Posts: 285
30/01/2016
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Understood. That's exactly the reason I thought it might be. I do find it a bit of an annoyance when the config or manager windows are open the menu doesn't hide, and I imagine if you chose to hide, it won't be shown. I often wished for interaction with menu whilst windows are open. Didn't this used to be the case?
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
30/01/2016
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The menu is not dangerous as the configuration form because it is always in read only mode. I think that I should solve this discrepancy not hiding it at all.
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sl23 Posts: 285
31/01/2016
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Not really sure what you're trying to say there Gian?!
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
31/01/2016
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Sorry but this forum is exploding... I hardly succed to give clear reply to all 
Configuration form and SPS Manager are dangerous to each other because both of them can alter the item configuration. Consequently they can't be active at the same time.
Contextual menu and configuration, contextual menu and SPS Manager can be both active because contextual menu can't alter the item configuration. I have to leave the contextual menu active. Today it is partially active because the floating menu disappears when you open the configuration or the SPS Manager.
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sl23 Posts: 285
31/01/2016
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Ah OK, but my context menu does not disappear on opening config or manager, should it? Because it is interfering with other windows due to always on top.
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
01/02/2016
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Yes it should disappear.
In the next version I'll try to solve this problem, plus I will implement a new feature to make the big floating icon hides when you click a little minimize button I add to its surface.
So you can make it disappear even without opening the configuration or SPS or options form. It is useful when you watch something in full screen mode for example.
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sl23 Posts: 285
01/02/2016
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OK thanks Gian
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sl23 Posts: 285
05/02/2016
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Could you please change the NEW overlay icon to blue for updated apps and keep red for newly added apps?
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1274
05/02/2016
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I don't understand.
The new and updated status is related to your installed programs or to the SPS at all?
If you intend to point out when an SPS already exists and it has been just updated changing its version, sorry but it is not possible.
The NEW icon depends on the SPS file physical date as VVV_Easy_Symenu discovered and it is not an internal SPS attribute. So I can't recognize if a new SPS is really new or it is a new version that replaced an old one.
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sl23 Posts: 285
05/02/2016
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OK thanks. Isn't there any way it could check to see if the appname_sps folder exists or something?
edited by sl23 on 05/02/2016
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