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24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: I haven't been clear enough. I didn't write nor claim that AV stopped downloads. I meant that I observed that SyMenu aborted initiated download while AV intervened after successful download for inspection, holding back the download success until end of AV checking. In the view of SyMenu download was still in progress while in view of operating system and AV download was finished. That's no error. That behavior may depend on AV edition. Better AV editions try checking so soon while basic editions try it later when another program opens it for execution or unpacking. SyMenu package management seems to assume that either no AV software is installed or only such a basic edition one, not a more powerful one. That's a bug in SyMenu package management if my assumption is true. I perfectly disagree with this. chef wrote: Which kind of software reports initiates the reported timeout? How may I know? How does SyMenu package management determine if download is ongoing or not? How does SyMenu package management distinguish between downloading and some intervention by operating system (i.e. configured Windows policies or security policies marking every download) or AV software? A download in the Internet works this way: - hi man, I need that file - sure, give me your hand before - (what a nice start.. this is one of the boring guys...) Sorry you are right, what a rude I am. Now can you give me that file. I really need it - no man, since I'm a very precise host and I'm following all the protocols, I firstly have to give you some information about the download - (uuuhhh this guys is is a real pain in the ass... I have things to do)..... then OK, give me the info - here is the file name, its mime type, its size... The sketch goes on but the thing to understand is that SyMenu doesn't make anything different from any other download manager in the world. SyMenu knows that a download is finished when the file reaches the expected size, it declares timeout when the file is no longer downloaded but the host doesn't send any byte for a while, if the OS or the AV make something with a downloaded file, the download manager can do nothing because of the system privileges order. Your browser behaves exactly the same way. Everything is on the hands of Windows or AV. chef wrote: So how does SyMenu package management handle reported download success (after passed AV check) if it reported the same download as aborted due to timeout before? It's impossible. SyMenu can report a download success only if a timeout hasn't happened. edited by Gianluca on 24/06/2019
24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: I don't like coffee. I prefer tea. And yes, for undetermined causes, I'll repeat at different times of day. That sounds much to conspiracy theory which raised strongly in popularity in the northern hemisphere of our planet, not only in Europe but also in North-America and Asia. I see the world and the Internet differently. I started to use Internet almost 35 years ago which was a nice place of many kind people and only few dangerous ones. The web has been invented more than half a decade later. The Internet has changes since. Security requirements have strongly increased also in the Internet. So its not so strange and dangerous as several people claim. The aim of increasing security levels is creating better identification of risks and dangers, provide simple and basic methods to handle them. And I don't understand Ministers of Internal Affairs of several powerful countries why they're responsible to increase such security levels and awareness (i.e. European KRIT regulation on critical infrastructure) while the same ministers want to prevent higher security levels in order to make work easier for law enforcement authorities and criminals. You should put a smile occasionally I better understand when you are making a joke edited by Gianluca on 24/06/2019
24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: How does your assessment conclude that Google Play Store would be a centralized hosting repository? I'm using the term centralized and decentralized in a different way. I don't refer to the server topology but to the ownership. Google own it's Google Play Store entirely. It has the power to admit your app or to reject it. It hosts your app. I have no such a control on the suite programs. I only link them. chef wrote: I don't understand what you mean when describing "chaos we have to deal with the Internet" I intend that the Internet doesn't force anyone to organize his own content in any particular way. A different environment instead, for example the Google Play Store, forces its user to organize the content in a particular way. If I want to mimic the Google Play Store without exert my ownership on the published programs I have to create a tool that organize the chaos.
24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: So what does it mean that SyMenu package manager reports 0/54 for VirusTotal report? It means that when the editor reviewed the package this VT was able to analyze it with 54 engine and no one reported a suspicios file. This condition can change resubmitting the same package in another moment but SyMenu remains stuck to the first report until the editor reviews the package.
24/06/2019 Topic: Website broken links Gianluca Administrator	I don't understand where you found that link. It doesn't exist. Try to go to this one https://www.ugmfree.it/SyMenuSuiteSPS.aspx edited by Gianluca on 24/06/2019
24/06/2019 Topic: Website broken links Gianluca Administrator	If you start your navigation from http://www.ugmfree.it/Services/ some relative links are build wrongly. Anyway the problem is why you start your navigation from http://www.ugmfree.it/Services/ and not from http://www.ugmfree.it It's a wrong page and infact the home page is partially broken. Do I publish the wrong link in anywhere? Do you find the wrong link anywhere on the Internet?
24/06/2019 Topic: SyMenu package manager eror in SPS editor contact Gianluca Administrator	If you want you can try it immediately editing one of your message with the inline images. The literals will work.
24/06/2019 Topic: The SPS scripting engine Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: So do you recommend me starting to create such a SPS package for learning (and maintaining) a SPS package? If you are interested in understanding the SPS technology and offering a contribution of this kind to this community, sure I do.
24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: SPS package manager does support and recognize an updated contact field as I didn't read so far of a versioning of SPS independant of the versioning of the packages they describe? Yes sure. You can fix whatever field and SyMenu will recognize it as a change in the SPS that doesn't affect the program described by the SPS itself. If you change the version field instead, SyMenu will recognize it as a program update and suggest the update action to the user. Well if you change the program name, SyMenu will recognize the SPS as related to another program because the name is the SPS key. But this is an exception because the name never changes so take in consideration rules 1) and 2).
24/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	My request has a simple reason: SourceForge or whatever web site hosting files that needs to be downloaded hardly create these kind of policies. You can find policies against DDoS attacks but why they should limit the downloading ability? Some web sites need the users navigate to the page because they live with ads but if they allow the automatic download what's the sense in limiting it? None. They want their materials spread all over the Internet so their actions will be eventually to offer multiple download mirrors, to increase download speed, to grant low latency. This is the reason for which I'm asking some documentations. Because it's strange that SourceForge acts this way while Github for example acts in the exact opposite way.
25/06/2019 Topic: Was v6.08 released prematurely? Gianluca Administrator	chef wrote: I didn't catch up on which part you perfectly disagree? The last one where you write: "That's a bug in SyMenu package management if my assumption is true." chef wrote: I disagree on your claim that SyMenu doesn't make anything different from any other download manager in the world. You partially right here. It's totally useless to speak about this topic in this forum (who cares how SyMenu download the programs in so deep details????) and above all you can use a network sniffer to satisfy this curiosity by yourself, but I can avoid you this fatigue. The only difference between a download manager of a browser and the SyMenu download manager is the user agent I use (mine is wget, the browser one is its own). This is the only reason for the slightly differences between the behaviors. chef wrote: This situation is not impossible. This situation is the reality for almost all packages which SPS package manager aborted prematurely with time out although in most cases the download was not yet finished and in a few cases the download had finished at network layer but not at application layer. And as far as I've read, I'm not the only user reporting such SyMenu "installation" problems in the forum. Again, it's impossible. The installation of any SPS is split up in several moments: - downloading - unpacking - copying You can have a problem at any of these levels and it doesn't mean that your download has had a timeout. It can be a difficulty during unpacking, a changed internal structure int the package, an AV that locks one of the mentioned action... Trust what I'm saying... I'm the one who wrote the code. Sincerely I'm a bit tired of all your questions. Usually a user has got an issue, reports it, I solve it and we are all happy. Or a user doesn't understand a feature, asks for it, and I reply. Or a user suggests something new, I analyze it and decide if it's worth including or not in SyMenu. Instead you are investigating the internals of the program with no cues in your hands because you didn't read the code, with no experience in the program because you are a new user, and, above all, without a real purpose. Do you really think that these endless interrogation can contribute in some ways to the application improving? I'm sorry, it can't. And even if you are suggesting something good, it's so hide inside your rant that I'm not even able to recognize it. My feeling is that you are only showing how much good and analytics and experienced you are. OK you are the best. Are we good now? Can I return to more useful activities now? Thanks. edited by Gianluca on 25/06/2019
25/06/2019 Topic: Symenu try to modify or delete files? Gianluca Administrator	It's not a location where SyMenu searches for anything. Have you got any program configured in SyMenu autoexec?
26/06/2019 Topic: SyMenuConfig.zip is invalid Gianluca Administrator	Can you send me in private all the zip files you find in the config folder please?
26/06/2019 Topic: Kaspersky block SyMenu Gianluca Administrator	I re-submitted SyMenu zip package to VirutTotal and there is the usual false positive detection from minor AV software (VBA32, Yandex). Karspersky reported that SyMenu is perfectly clean. Were you AV definitions updated? Anyway from the other message you posted in the forum I suspect that there is another security software, interfering with the SyMenu start up (from your description it's unlikely that your problem is the AV). I don't know what your PC configuration is but if you find anything useful please report it here to help others.
27/06/2019 Topic: SyMenu randomly deleting apps Gianluca Administrator	Which trash? The Windows trash or the SyMenu trash? If it is the Windows trash I can ensure you that SyMenu doesn't have this kind of power. It's probably your Antivirus software or some other security software.
27/06/2019 Topic: SyMenu randomly deleting apps Gianluca Administrator	OK it's a SyMenu stuff and it's a normal behavior when you update an SPS. SyMenu starts the update process copying you old program in the _Trash folder or moving it there according to the SPS instructions. Then it transfers the new package in the empty folder or it overwrites the old program with the new package, always according with the instructions. If this process fails during the transfer you can indeed find a folder empty and the old program trashed. But it's very unlikely to happen, I thought impossible. BTW SyMenu never takes this initiative of update something by its own. It's always you to start the update process. Moreover you are always notified if something has gone wrong during the update process.
28/06/2019 Topic: SyMenu randomly deleting apps Gianluca Administrator	ziusudra wrote: Is it mean that updating process works as clean reinstall and also move configuration files to trash ? With a certain SPS configuration the updating process works as a clean reinstall but, in this case, the SPS editor can specify one or more exceptions (files or entire folders) that won't be trashed. These files/folders can contain configurations, data, plugin, or whatever the user has customized. For example a clean update for the PAF format, always exclude the Data folder from trashing. When the update works in overwrite mode instead, the SPS editor can specify if certain files or folders have to be preserved from the overwriting for the same reason. ziusudra wrote: By the way, i ll wait and watch for 10 days without updating SyMenu. ... without updating the programs in the SPS suites because there won't be any SyMenu update in the next 10 days.
01/07/2019 Topic: How to know when to use builtin update? Gianluca Administrator	You should never use the build in update feature of a program unless the SPS editor decides that it is so pervasive and reliable that the SPS doesn't have to care about it. But in these few cases, don't worry, the build in update feature is so pervasive and reliable that the program take initiative and update itself almost within warn you. Mozilla Firefox is one of these.
01/07/2019 Topic: Which methods exist to stop SyMenu? Gianluca Administrator	No it's not an expected behavior. If you are able to understand in which conditions it happens, please describe them to allow me to reproduce the bug and fix it.
01/07/2019 Topic: Missing forced install resp. update option Gianluca Administrator	The force update is only available with already installed programs and through online packages. For all the program not yet installed you have two different options instead: install from web site (default for massive operation too), install from local package.