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fsr37 Posts: 6
28/06/2022
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Hi
I have been using Symenu for a while but I have upgraded to Symenu 7.01.8 recently and discovered that Drag and Drop support for program tree is broken. I can reproduce this behaviour either in normal or elevated mode. I am using Windows 11 not sure if this is related. Any workaround?? Can I use any config file in Symenu folder to sort items in menu?
Cheers,
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
28/06/2022
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Hi fsr37,
It's a really strange behavior and I suspect it's exactly tied with the W11 adoption as you assert.
Unfortunately I have no PC compliant with W11 so I can't test it by myself.
Plus I'm no more interested in developing on this SyMenu brench because I'm porting it to a new framework (.NET Core).
So I have two suggestions for you.
1) Try to update your SyMenu to 7.02. Perhaps the new version will do the magic and restores the D&D even if I doubt it could be so easy.
2) Try to update to the alpha version 8.0 (https://www.ugmfree.it/Forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=840) that is written with the new framework.
If neither works, let's hope that Santa Claus will bring me a new PC where this f***ing W11 can be properly and offcially installed.
Well I love MS but this thing of cutting out so many "not so old" PCs from the new Windows version stinks a lot as an "Apple mode" behaviour even if MS has no interest in selling HW... apart from their Surface line.
BTW please report here your outcome.
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fsr37 Posts: 6
28/06/2022
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Hi,
Thank you for your help. Version 7.02 did the magic for me  . D&D is now restored. Cheers
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
28/06/2022
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Well... I did nothing special in 7.02... 
It's better that way.
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fsr37 Posts: 6
28/06/2022
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Gianluca wrote:
Well... I did nothing special in 7.02...
It's better that way.
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SvenH Posts: 29
23/05/2024
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Hello!
After a hard drive crash, I've added information from backups. But now when I want to update SyMenu with added programs, I do not succeed. As seen in the attached gif file, my drag and drop is not approved.
To bring up Configuration I had to enter Administrator privileges (Elevate SyMenu). If not specified, this error message appears: This feature is unavailable because the SyMenu folder 'C:\Program Files (x86)\SyMenu\ is read only.'. I also tried giving Administrator privileges to my file manager (Directory Opus) but it made no difference. I have the latest version of Symenu installed.
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
24/05/2024
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SvenH wrote:
After a hard drive crash, I've added information from backups. But now when I want to update SyMenu with added programs, I do not succeed.
It's bad... really. Or better, it's a trivial problem but since you are asking and seeing your attempts, it means you are not so used to this kind of problem.
First: the reason.
It's a security problem on your FS, so it's on Windows not on SyMenu. Usually it happens when you have a data disk and reinstall your OS. The data disk preserves your data but the owner of your data is a user that doesn't exist anymore on the new installed OS. You are not saying clearly but I imagine your problem could be similar.
Second: resolution.
Since it's a FS problem you have to solve it in Windows and the resolution is taking ownership of the restored folders and giving the right user to them.
Here you can find a really simple video tutorial to do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGoTHB--bzc
And please report the outcome.
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SvenH Posts: 29
24/05/2024
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I first tried to process the entire C: drive according to the video but a bit in I get a warning that is not in the video: If you have just become the owner of this object, you must close and reopen the properties of the object before you can view or change characteristics. (Translated from Swedish.)
I then tried limiting myself to Programs (X86) but at the time 1:05 in the video you should press the Add button. However, it is greyed out for me.
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
24/05/2024
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SvenH wrote:
I first tried to process the entire C: drive according to the video
OMG... not the C: drive please. Luckily the OS stopped you. The C: is a bit particular because several users reign here (System, TrustedInstaller and so on).
I thought your crashed drive was a data drive. How do you recover from a C: crashed drive?
Plus, why do you need to add the Programs folders? SyMenu already reads the Start menu entries and adds them to the menu everytime it starts, so there's no reason for which you should add programs located there.
As I told you, a trivial problem can be a nightmare if one doesn't understand the problem.
Are you sure your C: drive is good now? There's your OS there, if you lost your OS you are at risk of losing your personal files too, at least those located in the user folders.
My advice is to check your drive deeply and only when you are sure of that, try to recover with the Windows tools, not by hand. At that point you can reinstate SyMenu.
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SvenH Posts: 29
24/05/2024
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I had my hard drive (actually SSD) replaced and Windows 10 installed on it. After that I reinstalled a lot of programs. I had previously saved any program settings.
I have not experienced that SyMenu has automatically picked up information from the Windows Start menu. On the other hand, I don't want it as in the Start menu in one long list, but I want to be able to group the programs.
I haven't noticed any problems with Windows yet and hopefully nothing happened when I canceled at the warning message. However, I have not restarted Windows. But do you have a suggestion for a suitable program to test Windows with?
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
24/05/2024
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No need. Before your last message I understood you're still using your old crashed drive but instead now I understand you have a new SSD. So there's no need to check anything.
The host programs are automatically indexed by SyMenu if you leave the Options - Search - Search entries from Windows Start menu checkbox flagged
Anyway you don't find them as logical items in the menu but only in the menu search tool. So no long list is available anywhere in SyMenu but only a searchable list.
If you want to add program links to SyMenu, you can do it in an easier way: go to your menu start folder (C:\Users[your user name]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\), drag the entire Programs folder and drop it hover SyMenu.
SyMenu at that point creates a logical folder in its root where you can find all the installed programs grouped as they are grouped in your Start menu.
Plus when you add a new program you'll find it in SyMenu. The same when you uninstall a program.
The Start menu folder is yours (your user) so there's no permissions problem at all.
Anyway, what you did is really obscure for me.
Do you restore the installed program from your backup to your current Windows installation?
It's a very brave attempt that can take you in unexplored fields.
Usually you can backup the entire OS with programs or your files or your portable programs, but I never knew there's a way to backup installed programs. At least not in a reliable way.
If my system drive crashes, I'd thrash it and reinstall Windows and all the installed programs from scratch.
Then I'd copy SyMenu and its portable programs from my backup.
There's one of the reasons for which all the programs should be portable.
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SvenH Posts: 29
24/05/2024
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Thanks for your reply! I ask to study it on Sunday and come back then as I am babysitting my grandchildren this weekend. :-)
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SvenH Posts: 29
26/05/2024
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Hardly any programs of my installed programs have received links in the personal Start menu, but they have ended up in the global one. But I tried moving a bit from the global to the personal Start menu and dragging the Programs folder over SyMenu. But as the gif animation shows, it didn't work.
When I have reinstalled my programs, I have done so using the installation files that I had saved.
My computer had been shut down last night so when I was now able to start Windows again I at least got proof that everything works as before. (Why it shuts down I don't understand. It's happened a few times before after the disk replacement. Windows Update hasn't run since May 7th.)
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SvenH Posts: 29
27/05/2024
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I have reinstalled SyMenu. Now you can drag and drop a folder on SyMenu and SyMenu is updated (see the gif animation). But unfortunately I can't edit the contents of the folder (see picture). What am I doing wrong?
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
28/05/2024
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You are misunderstanding what SyMenu can do for you.
If you drag an entire folder in SyMenu, it doesn't index what it finds inside, but it creates a link to the folder. The only logical item SyMenu recognize is the folder itself.
With this kind of item you are allowed to explore its content dynamically, I mean, SyMenu explores it by reading its content at run time. It's the reason for which I told you that SyMenu is able to reflect whatever change it will find in the folder. It's because every time it reads the folder content physically.
In this scenario you are creating a single logical item (the link to the folder) and you can eventually edit that single item, not the items inside.
If you want a more customizable menu, i.e. you need to edit every single entry in your logical folder, you need to create a logical item for every element inside the folder.
You can do that by dragging the items one by one on SyMenu.
Or you can use the batch importer (https://www.ugmfree.it/manual#Item_Manager_menu_batch_import) that creates all the possible items for you and you "only" have to check what you are interested in.
If your target is the Start menu folder, the latter method is really useful because it creates no noise and probably every single item it suggests will be suitable for you.
If your folder contains programs, probably you will work less with the first method, because the second creates a lot of noise.
Anyway if you are a basic user you can use SyMenu following your instinct but if you want to use it to its max and be a power user, well that's no other path than RTFM 
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SvenH Posts: 29
28/05/2024
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Thanks for your reply!
I tried the batch import but unfortunately it doesn't keep any grouping, everything ends up in one long list. Instead, I have to do as your second suggestion, i.e. drag the files one by one. Unfortunately, it will be a time-consuming job as in my case it involves about 150 folders and files. Especially as for each folder I want to change its default icon to the one that applies to the current program. But now I can at least move on and it feels good!
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SvenH Posts: 29
28/05/2024
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As a thank you for your help, I have just submitted a donation.
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Gianluca Administrator Posts: 1330
29/05/2024
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SvenH wrote:
As a thank you for your help, I have just submitted a donation.
It's always appreciated. Thank you.
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